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#1
- in K mode when you check position does not always change to GATTACK   Can't say for sure if they always drop as per coordinates (ext view would be handy for this)

-Mar 1st while leaving Samer area after bombing Samer army camp came across 6 to 8 landing craft floating in the air over Le Touquet harbour area

   
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#2
I just started looking at the TWC general situation map,
& think it is a great tool, even with its bugs...
(& shot out radars... If YOU aint there, your in a dead zone, watch your six!)

Is there a place to learn more about how to use it?

Bug#1
TWCClan link on the bottom connects to a cable company...

Bug#2
I never knew that underneath the map was a complete list of
campaign status info:
mission summary
completed objectives
remaining primary objectives
recon co-ords
players online
radar and airfield conditions & % destroyed
Activity Stats!
(& a whole lot more!)

I never knew because as soon as the map came up
I would zoom in on my area, which causes all of this information to 
disappear forever until you reload the map!

The pop up (color swatches?) looks interesting to plot intercepts
but how would you really use it!
(& it makes hitting on a target for info on an Ipad  nearly impossible...)
But I realized thru trial and error that you do not need to get more info!

The size of the black bar is the height!
if the black bar fills an entire grid square your Bogie is at 24,000 feet
if it fills 1/2 a grid=6,000 feet
1/4 grid=3k feet etc...

The red bar is not only direction, but speed!
Don't know exactly what speeds yet, but when chasing
(or being chased)
if your red bar is longer you are escaping or closing on your target
if your bogie's red bar is longer, he's getting away, (or you are in serious  Doo Doo...)
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#3
(03-03-2020, 05:33 PM)Dave Wrote: I just started looking at the TWC general situation map,
& think it is a great tool, even with its bugs...
(& shot out radars... If YOU aint there, your in a dead zone, watch your six!)

Is there a place to learn more about how to use it?

Bug#1
TWCClan link on the bottom connects to a cable company...

Bug#2
I never knew that underneath the map was a complete list of
campaign status info:
mission summary
completed objectives
remaining primary objectives
recon co-ords
players online
radar and airfield conditions & % destroyed
Activity Stats!
(& a whole lot more!)

I never knew because as soon as the map came up
I would zoom in on my area, which causes all of this information to 
disappear forever until you reload the map!

The pop up (color swatches?) looks interesting to plot intercepts
but how would you really use it!
(& it makes hitting on a target for info on an Ipad  nearly impossible...)
But I realized thru trial and error that you do not need to get more info!

The size of the black bar is the height!
if the black bar fills an entire grid square your Bogie is at 24,000 feet
if it fills 1/2 a grid=6,000 feet
1/4 grid=3k feet etc...

The red bar is not only direction, but speed!
Don't know exactly what speeds yet, but when chasing
(or being chased)
if your red bar is longer you are escaping or closing on your target
if your bogie's red bar is longer, he's getting away, (or you are in serious  Doo Doo...)
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#4
Red and blue bar is speed and direction, black bar is your altitude. Never used the colour swatches just use tab 4 1
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#5
(03-03-2020, 05:33 PM)Bug#2 Wrote: I never knew that underneath the map was a complete list of
campaign status info: . . . (& a whole lot more!)

I never knew because as soon as the map came up
I would zoom in on my area, which causes all of this information to 
disappear forever until you reload the map!

Thanks, this is a great summary of what the map info does.

At the very top is a link "Jump to Mission Info". If you tap on that, it takes you to the Mission Info but also you'll see a link there "Jump to Top".

If you click on "Jump to Top" you'll be back to the map viewing area but at the top there is a little header area with the "Jump to Mission Info" link and a few other things.

So if you just manipulate the map so as to always keep that header in view you can still move the map around, zoom around in it, etc but you can ALSO use that "Jump to Mission Info" link to jump down to the mission info, and then back to the map.

FYI the basic problem is that when you pinch and zoom etc the map package will then move and zoom the map. But ALSO your touch browser uses pinch and zoom and drag and all that to re-size the browser itself. So if you move things around so that only the map is showing in the window, then in a touch-type browser (like your mobile phone, IPad, tablet, etc) there is nothing left to "grab" to move the whole window up and down.

Since touch browsers have decided we don't need scroll bars any more there is no way to scroll up & down. In that situation I've had good luck re-loading the page, requesting the desktop version of the map, or searching within the page (ie, search for "jump"). Exact solution depend on your exact browser & device.

Another solution is to keep two tabs open--one focused on the map and the other on the mission info area.


Quote:The pop up (color swatches?) looks interesting to plot intercepts
but how would you really use it!
(& it makes hitting on a target for info on an Ipad  nearly impossible...)
I use this all the time. If you click on an aircraft and then a color it marks the path of that aircraft with that color thereafter.

So basically, whenever I see an enemy aircraft that might be a threat I mark it with black or white or blue or whatever. It makes it easier to keep an eye on potential threats and not lose them in the clutter.

Also often I will mark my own position or people I'm flying with or my cover aircraft. That way I can see at a glance where we've been & where we're headed, how far apart we are, etc.

You can also mark ground areas, which is sometimes helpful.

But the most useful is calculating intercepts and trip times. As Birdtail says, in many cases you don't need to calculate an intercept because Tab-4-1 just provides it for you.

But for example as a bomber pilot you don't need intercepts on OTHER planes . .. you need to know if they have an intercept on you.

Do get an intercept calculation, you click on the first aircraft, click "Select Interceptor" then click on the second aircraft and "Calc Intcpt to This Target". You'll see a popup with the intercept time & heading.

Also you can click a ground location and it gives you the heading and time to that location.

FYI this was all designed to give Tophat the ability to tell pilots intercept vectors to both other aircraft and ground targets. But I use it all the time while flying.

OTOH, as you say you can pretty well just look at the screen and estimate intercept headings etc. So you don't always need it.

FYI on a 'real' computer you hover the mouse over a target to see speed, heading etc and click it only if you want to see the color swatches or calculate an intercept.

This makes is super-convenient to keep on a second screen while running CloD, because you can manipulate the map by using the scroll wheel to zoom and scroll around, and see most all the info you might need by just hovering the mouse. So you can do all that without breaking out of full-screen CloD.

Only if you need to click to set a color swatch or intercept does the CloD screen minimize--and those are fairly rare things to do.

Again, touch browsers decided we don't need the "hover" capability any longer. So that break a lot of things on the WWW and I don't know much to do about it except complain to the browser manufacturers.

Our map is based on another big mapping tool that does all the hard work, so I can't really go in an change its basic functionality very easily.

FWIW I probably had 20 page instruction manual on using the map tool on our old forums somewhere, but I guess all that has been converted to a cable TV page now.
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#6
(03-02-2020, 04:23 PM)Birdtail Wrote: - in K mode when you check position does not always change to GATTACK   Can't say for sure if they always drop as per coordinates (ext view would be handy for this.

They will alternate between "follow" and "GATTACK" when in that mode. Mostly it is "GATTACK" but sometimes it is "FOLLOW". Reason is, whenever you feed them a new course, which happens generally every 10-20 seconds, the first coordinate has to be their current position and it can't be GATTACK--or they will just drop their bombs on that point.

So their path is always two points - their current position "FOLLOW" and the point they are attacking "GATTACK". Result that we see is that most of the time their status is "GATTACK" but sometimes it shows up as "FOLLOW".

As long as the KA HUD is on and they show as "has bombs" then they are definitely attacking that point.

However as you note, I'm not always 100% sure they have dropped their bombs. Some aircraft (more than others) seem to drop only part of their bomb load in some situations, and then they will never drop the rest. HurriFBs sometimes do this and maybe Wellingtons (again, only sometimes).

Also just like us, if they have been shot up sometimes the bomb release mechanism is damaged.

Anyway what I usually do is just keep an eye on them and if they have taken one run (or a couple of runs, depending on how pressured we are) at the target and yet still show "has bombs" I just turn of the Knickebein so that they will follow me and get out of there.

FYI recording a track and then uploading to ATAG "Track Editor" is one way to watch what really happened. Maybe we should turn out outside view for a while just for this purpose, though.

https://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/ (Track Editor link - must request access via one of the ATAG forums first.)

Direct link to track editor page: https://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/t...ernals.php



Quote:-Mar 1st while leaving Samer area after bombing Samer army camp came across 6 to 8 landing craft floating in the air over Le Touquet harbour area

All those should be fixed now--please let me know if you see any more.

CloD has a bug that just makes all types of ships unreliable and therefore, pretty much useless, right now. It's crazy because I've spent literally hours watching those ships and never seen anything even the slightest out of the ordinary. But multiple people report they are spotted 3000 feet in the air or whatever.

Hopefully fixed in 4.5!
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